Fighting Fire with Fire
” To Puma or not to Puma ? “……. Hmmmm . Actually that is a rather asanine question , akin to ” To be a woman or not ?” ” To be a Lesbian or not to be a Lesbian ? “
It is what I am . I am a Democrat in exile . From the very begining of the movement , from the first glimpses of the usurping of our party . The earliest outrages actualized a collective metamorphosis of die hard Democrats into a brand new species know as PUMA .
Do some Republicans confuse the disdain of the early movement with the Obama forces as an invitation to don thier own spots or stripes and call themselves “puma” ? Yes … Well , I can stick a feather in my ass but that doesn’t mean I can fly .
Because some blogs have some RW loons that seem to spread their loonieness unabated , does that mean that each and every poster on that blog or the blog owner has become a RW loon ? No . Quit thinking in hyperbole .
Are there some OPs (original pumas) more conservative ? Yes . We had both Blue and Yellow Dogs in the Democratic Party . Get over it . There will always be differences in ideals within a larger movement . If you are far left -BE far left . If you were a Blue dog – BE fiscally conservative – but have the damn conversation . The same conversation we have been having since the inception of the Democratic Party , and sometimes it gets heated – so what . (as long as the personal attacks are left behind)
I come from a huge social movement . One that was comprised of 2 main caucuses and several smaller subgroups under the umbrella of each caucus . The 2 main caucuses were rabid foes INTERNALLY , but as a National Organization , we were singularly undivided .
The leadership of both cacuses were smart enough to know that we were a hell of a lot stronger united as a block than as individual slates . We fought over direction and ideals and contracts and compromises , and we did it in private , because when we marched , when we protested , when we stared down corporations and sometimes the Government , we did it together – shoulder to shoulder and side by side , and despite our diferences , we would not be broken .
Because there is a strong (and noisy) conservative faction in the puma movement , am I going to give up my voice at the table ? Will I take my ball and go home ? Will I kick OPs off the kickball field because they hang out with some conservatives ? Or call them names ? No , and if you do you’re only hurting your self .
Whoever you are , whatever your ideals , , no matter how bad your feelings are hurt or how mad you are , it’s not about you . It never was . This movement began because of a great and blatant injustice served to us on a giant shit platter and it had nothing to do with left or right .
Puma wasn’t started by only lefties and it wasn’t started by only Obama haters . It was started by DEMOCRATS – of all stripes . I am left of left on social issues and right of center fiscally . I will NEVER agree with every puma on every issue . I am an old school Democrat and an Original Puma , and I will never give up my seat at the table because someone else thinks I am too left or too right .
If you were a puma on or before May 31st -(whether you had joined a blog then or not ) you’re a puma today .
Stick to your core values and speak your truths . Don’t like the direction of the conversation ? Change it , but make sure you have your say at the table .
Eventually , Puma needs to have a convention . Whether it’s a secured online , teleconfrence , or live and personal . All of the leaders of the various factions need to come together like a genuine organization and elect leadership , develop a concrete platform , vote and move forward as a National force .
Sitting in our individual caves , shouting insults at eachother is not the way forward . We must learn the lessons of the successful movements that came before us and find our common ground or go the way of big hair and leg warmers .
Leaders , it’s your choice .You are all strong . Be wise .
Solidarnosk!
August 28, 2009 at 3:55 pm
I say this with the greatest respect for you that you do keep on keeping on with trying to reunite people that have firmly decided or firmly pumaed that they will not waste their time fighting rw (not Blue Dog) talking points on a puma board anymore. Dig deeper, Gabriel, for many are digging deeper also. Many times for me it was not the insults of being called a obot, or the exhaustion of calling out rw infiltrators, it was watching the “Amens” of some very hateful comments that got those amens from “liberals”. Democrats in “exile” implies the risk to wander the wilderness to find the path of who your clan is, not wandering to go find the tribe of Judah to go be with right wing talking pundits, articles, and authors of hate.
August 28, 2009 at 3:56 pm
By the way, I missed you so I came to see you over here, since I haven’t seen you around lately.
August 28, 2009 at 7:37 pm
Hey, Gabriel, I am trying to rope you back into the Commie commune at TW.
http://thewiddershins.wordpress.com/2009/08/28/be-afraid-be-very-afraid/#comment-25580
August 31, 2009 at 3:34 am
Gabriel
OT
I want you to know that someone, or some on another blog think I am you, or that I’m posting under your name. I’m not sure if this is a mistake on their part, confusion, a delibrate lie, gossip, or exactly what the genesis or intent was/is.
I want you do know I am doing no such thing.
Just so you know.
Btw, nice blog you have here.
August 31, 2009 at 4:21 pm
Her login name and your login name knows who said it, which blog you do not speak but speak all the time, said it. Since I am involved, “I” speak on this matter you address too. Why doesn’t every one just come clean for the sake of login confusion/chaos that is breed from these matters.
I made no if and and buts that I was gay gal switched to la-t-da. I just wanted a freaking break from being bashed over the head as gay gal while my most pleasant of times spent at pumapac confronting the right wing talking points and trolls because I actually gave a shit and took on these actions: wasted freaking time as “dances” is still confronting some of these people I confronted a long freaking time ago.
I was real curious as to who was going to say (paraphrase from yesterday) “I can go back and see how many pumapac actions these people did while at pumapac.” And congratulations, “dances” you win the prize.
September 1, 2009 at 11:53 pm
La-ti-da
I take no issue with you.
I came here to let GabriellsFire know that the “proof” of my commenting under her name was a comment I made when I was laughing at the notion that I am commenting under GF’s name, and I signed my DancesWithGabrielsFire. That was the “ah ha! proof!”.
All anyone has to do is compare IP addresses to know that my IP probably wouldnt even come close to GF’s, unless she lives in my city.
I was also accused of being a communist, so I signed a comment DancesWithCommunists. I play with my name that way as do others on Puma PAC.
Just so GF knows.
PS No offense intended Gabriel… you write and express your thoughts more clearly than I do, but I am far and away the better speller.
September 3, 2009 at 7:26 pm
Hey, Dances, but that was not the comment that I had issue with. You made a comment in the 11:00 hour at Pumapac then the same reference showed up on TW later in that hour. It did not go through at TW but I could see the comment and time in “pending”. I know you are addressing Gabriel, but I was the one that said “busted” when I saw the comment at TW after I saw it at pumapac and that is why I said “busted”. That is the comment in which I speak that both login names made reference too within the same hour.
September 5, 2009 at 2:09 am
la-t-da
Cool! Then you can also compare IP addresses.
PS I didnt know who said “busted”. I get email… I get lots and lots of email.
Has it occurred to you that someone may have read my comment and taken their start from there?
Aside from that, if it’s important you… have at it. Personally, I think, in some ways, it’s too insignificant for us to continue discussing.
I’m sorry you do not want to believe me, but, thank you anyway for at least being civil about it.
Sincerely.
PS I’ll tell you one last time, for my own edification, woman to woman, dyke to dyke, artist to artist…
I have not, I will not, nor have I ever commented under GabriellFire’s name, Neither am I, nor have I ever been, nor will I ever be, GabrillsFire.
Best,
September 5, 2009 at 5:59 pm
Hey, Dances, I am being “civil about it” because I am wanting to clear this up between the three of us as I was a part of it. I did say “busted” aloud on a blog. That is the part I am owning. Gabriel and I did do an attempt at some resolve as well just so you know, so my energy just isn’t directed toward you. Like I said, this was something that occurred between the three of us.
And for my uncivil ending (LOL), the other people emailing people (which I did consider) back in forth during stressful blog times is not helpful to anyone. If issues are between one or two or three people, I just am a firm believer that other people should butt out and let people work things out between each other. But maybe my naivety is showing.
Best to you too, Dances.
September 5, 2009 at 11:08 pm
la-t-da
Thanks, and I agree.
Unfortunately there isn’t any way that I know of to prove to you that I am not GF, never have been, and have never commented under her name.
I think GF shpuld call you on the phone and let you know whether or not she made the comment on your blog. Then you can call me and hear that I sound different and I’m betting that GF and I do not live in the same city either… hoping she doesn’t live in the same city for sake of proving to you that what I’m saying is the truth. Otherwise, I think it would be neat of GF lived here!
Take care.
September 6, 2009 at 1:14 am
Thank you , Dances . Again , I am sorry for the confusion . La- T will figure out I am not you when she goes to visit NO . and I make her drive up to St. Gabriel for beer and mudbugs ..
UNtil she knows for sure I am not you though , I plan to take credit for all of your amazing photographs and proper spelling .
September 7, 2009 at 10:49 pm
Again , I am sorry for the confusion
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No need for an apology from you… you weren’t the source of the confusion / false accusations.
Note to self: When someone tells you who they are … believe them.
Maya Angelou
September 8, 2009 at 2:07 am
Dances, just so we are on the same page about this issue, please know that I have no intention of apologizing for saying “busted” and then typing “DanceswithGabriel” in that same post, if you are hinting at an apology from me. In my opinion, the person or persons that need to apologize, or I will even grant, come clean, is the one or ones that typed and repeated the info, that I have now brought up a few times, about the post that was on pumapac at 11:04 then the same info relayed at 11:58 at TW. I don’t expect us to discuss this on this blog, but one or both of you could have addressed me via email about this by now. I am now seriously getting the feeling that neither of you really want to work this out, So I’m out. Best to both.
September 6, 2009 at 4:56 am
Thank you.